Smoking Ban

Is anyone else just as pissed about this stupid smoking ban? I know a lot of places are going to lose business and if they try to enforce it in bars then i think were all screwed! I have respect for those who don't smoke or can't. But there are smoking and non smoking sections in restaruants. I just think it's rediculous....

[Bulldog Stang]

Business' will not ever loose business due to a smoking ban.... I am from Houston and remember when they enforced it there back in 1994/95. It worked. The city never even missed a beat. It sucked because you had to wait until you got outside to smoke, but I never stopped going to a restaraunt b/c I couldnt smoke. If you are fucking hungry, you will eat!!!!!! Plus, more of the non-smokers took the place of the smokers who refuse to go. So it balanced out. As for Bars, never gonna happen.

[Steeda Snakes]

Is anyone else just as pissed about this stupid smoking ban? I know a lot of places are going to lose business and if they try to enforce it in bars then i think were all screwed! I have respect for those who don't smoke or can't. But there are smoking and non smoking sections in restaruants. I just think it's rediculous....

I am assuming that you are a smoker. If you truly had respect for individuals that don't smoke or CAN'T???????, you would welcome the smoking ban.

I guess you have never had a loved one or friend die from cancer. Although, a few smokers truly don't believe that smoking causes Lung Cancer, .......please :roll: :roll: I am also assuming that you do not know what my profession is, I see patients experience death and disease from cigarette smoking on a daily basis. Oh yea, and these patients were historically smokers and non-smokers.

It has been proven countless times that smoking causes/contributes to many diseases and disorders (i.e. pulmonary and cardiovascular). I could get into this, but believe me, this server could not hold everything I have to say, nor do I have the time to type it. Oh yea, I am getting off-topic, we were discussing "Second-Hand Smoke" or Environmental Tobacco Smoke (ETS). I will continue......

In 1993 the EPA listed ETS as a Group A Carcinogen.

"Group A" carcinogen is a classification given to a substance that has been documented to cause Cancer in humans. It is this classification, that has caused our Federal. State, and Local governments to take action. It is the responsibility of our government to create laws and ordinances to protect the lives and welfare of its citizens.

Let me tell you a little story and then I will discuss "Smoking Bans". I know you are saying, right about now, those non-smokers can just stay away from Bars and smoking sections of restaurants. Some can't because they work there, and why should others have to?

I saw a patient about 10 months ago, their chief complaint was shortness of breath. I won't get into a whole, long, drawn out scenario, but lets just say that judging from the test results........ lung disease from smoking.

The patient was a non-smoker and had never smoked. Oh yea, their profession...... worked in a bar for 40 years. Draw your own conclusion on that one.

Smoking sections don't work, unless they are completely closed off from the non-smoking sections and have a separate ventilation system.

Bottom line is that ETS (second-hand smoke) contributes to the death and disease of the non-smoking public. It needs to be eliminated as much as possible for the health and well being of the entire public.

Have you been to larger cities in Texas? Have you been to cities in other states? Have you flown on an airplane? Trust me, you can make it an hour or so, without smoking, and enjoy a nice meal with good company.

If you can't and want help, all you have to do is ask.

[slow-Mo]

Steeda since we're on the subject, are menthol's worse than regular cigarette's?

[Steeda Snakes]

Steeda since we're on the subject, are menthol's worse than regular cigarette's?

OK, the lesser of two evils. I have read a few studies that linked an increased risk for Lung Cancer with Menthol cigarettes. From what I recall, it was directly related to the chemical process used in the development of the menthol flavor.

FYI. There are over 4000 chemicals in cigarettes. Of these, 43 are known carcinogenics (recent studies have increased this number to 61).

Aside from all of these harmful substances, nicotine is a whole other subject. :shock:

[leedog]

Is anyone else just as pissed about this stupid smoking ban? I know a lot of places are going to lose business and if they try to enforce it in bars then i think were all screwed! I have respect for those who don't smoke or can't. But there are smoking and non smoking sections in restaruants. I just think it's rediculous....

I am assuming that you are a smoker. If you truly had respect for individuals that don't smoke or CAN'T???????, you would welcome the smoking ban.

I guess you have never had a loved one or friend die from cancer. Although, a few smokers truly don't believe that smoking causes Lung Cancer, .......please :roll: :roll: I am also assuming that you do not know what my profession is, I see patients experience death and disease from cigarette smoking on a daily basis. Oh yea, and these patients were historically smokers and non-smokers.

It has been proven countless times that smoking causes/contributes to many diseases and disorders (i.e. pulmonary and cardiovascular). I could get into this, but believe me, this server could not hold everything I have to say, nor do I have the time to type it. Oh yea, I am getting off-topic, we were discussing "Second-Hand Smoke" or Environmental Tobacco Smoke (ETS). I will continue......

In 1993 the EPA listed ETS as a Group A Carcinogen.

"Group A" carcinogen is a classification given to a substance that has been documented to cause Cancer in humans. It is this classification, that has caused our Federal. State, and Local governments to take action. It is the responsibility of our government to create laws and ordinances to protect the lives and welfare of its citizens.

Let me tell you a little story and then I will discuss "Smoking Bans". I know you are saying, right about now, those non-smokers can just stay away from Bars and smoking sections of restaurants. Some can't because they work there, and why should others have to?

I saw a patient about 10 months ago, their chief complaint was shortness of breath. I won't get into a whole, long, drawn out scenario, but lets just say that judging from the test results........ lung disease from smoking.

The patient was a non-smoker and had never smoked. Oh yea, their profession...... worked in a bar for 40 years. Draw your own conclusion on that one.

Smoking sections don't work, unless they are completely closed off from the non-smoking sections and have a separate ventilation system.

Bottom line is that ETS (second-hand smoke) contributes to the death and disease of the non-smoking public. It needs to be eliminated as much as possible for the health and well being of the entire public.

Have you been to larger cities in Texas? Have you been to cities in other states? Have you flown on an airplane? Trust me, you can make it an hour or so, without smoking, and enjoy a nice meal with good company.

If you can't and want help, all you have to do is ask.
Bang, Pow, right in the kissa!!

[Steeda Snakes]

..............Bang, Pow, right in the kissa!!

Not trying to be confrontational, just trying to educate. :thumbs:

[nismogirl]

Well Im all for the Smoking ban in the restaurants. Im not a smoker also so I guess thats why I dont care.....But as for the clubs I really dont think its a good idea people like to drink and smoke when they go out so I dont know but it was a city meeting and if we are mad then why dont we go out there and vote or say anything about it we all do have freedom of speech just a thought for all who are mad about it. I know it does suck for the clubs and bars

[Steeda Snakes]

As far as banning smoking in clubs, that will be a tougher nut to crack. However, Victoria is not "Blazing a new trail" with this issue. It has been done elsewhere.

FYI; In Boulder, Colorado the only place you can smoke is in your car, house or on your own personal property. If it is open/available as a public space, you can't smoke there. Boulder is consistently voted one of the healthiest cities and one of the best places to live. I'm sure the city council of Victoria would love to have that distinction.

People argue that going to a "bar" is not healthy, so why ban smoking, when people are not going there for their health?

Wait a minute; dancing is a very good form of exercise to those people that do not have a regular exercise program. So there are some health benefits that could be derived from going dancing (i.e. dance hall, night club, etc.)

My wife and I met at Cody's. Yea, we have been married a long time! The first time we danced together, it was like we had been dancing together for a lifetime. We used to go out and dance on a regular basis. People complimented us all the time on how well we danced together (waltz, 2-step, 3-step, polka, etc.)[I look like an idiot when we dance to rock,pop or rap :lol: :lol: ].

My wife has asthma. Over the years it has become more severe. If we go to a nightclub or dance hall, we cannot stay very long, if at all or she will be in a heap of trouble. Cigarette smoke is one of her main triggers and has caused her to have numerous exacerbations of her condition and several hospital admissions.

If they ban it in the bars, we will start going again!!!!! But for now we have our own little dance hall. :D

[grendel]

well now that weed is legal in colorado, we will see where that goes

[Steeda Snakes]

well now that weed is legal in colorado, we will see where that goes

Unless you know something I don't, which is highly likely on this subject :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: , weed is not really legal in Colorado.

Back in 2000 or 2001, Colorado legalized marijuana for medical purposes only in the treatment of diseases such as Cancer and AIDS. It would have to be ordered by a physician, approved by the state medical board and the patient must become registered as a "Legal User" of marijuana (cost to patient involved with that last one). A handful of other states have similar laws.

Recently Denver voted to approve the recreational use of marijuana by a very slim margin. It really doesn't matter, because existing state law will over-rule this proposition.

[Steeda Snakes]

Oh yea and I had said Boulder. Denver is OK, but I wouldn't live there.

[grendel]

ok, thats what i meant

[Bulldog Stang]

Damn Shadow.. u stirred up some shit on this one.....


I am a Smoker. And I VOTE for NO SMOKING in restaraunts. I hate eating and having to smell the smoke of someone elses cigarette. (Kinda Wierd I know). However as a smoker, I respect other peoples health and wishes. I do not smoke around people who dont like it, if they are around, I try to stay away from them as much as possible while I am smoking (Snakes can verify this).

[leedog]

Damn Shadow.. u stirred up some shit on this one.....


I am a Smoker. And I VOTE for NO SMOKING in restaraunts. I hate eating and having to smell the smoke of someone elses cigarette. (Kinda Wierd I know). However as a smoker, I respect other peoples health and wishes. I do not smoke around people who dont like it, if they are around, I try to stay away from them as much as possible while I am smoking (Snakes can verify this).

Agreed 100%, besides, you gotta admit that it is bad for you. Common knowledge. This is just another detterrent, kinda like a nagging mom (or wife :thumbs: ), or those retarded truth commercials.

I really did stir up some shit. Haha. On almost everything i can agree on the standpoints. In a lot of ways it's a good thing. Personally i have severe asthma and i can understand that,i choose to fuck up my lungs by smoking (which is how my asthma went from mild to severe) and i do my best to respect others around me when i know they don't like the smoking. I think because i have a slight issue with authority and it bothers me that OTHER people are taking my rights and choices away instead it being ME and others voting on it,that's what's pissing me off. I don't want to feel like i'm being punished in the prinicipals office for doing something i've gotten so used to doing. I like being able to go into a restaruant and sit for hours just having a good time with friends and smoking. Taking a smoke break to run outside really does blow...but i do see the reasoning behind it all. As i said previously though, there are smoking AND non-smoking sections at almost every place you go. You choose to sit in one or the other. But honestly i would rather this whole mess be up to a vote by the people instead of some greasy ass politician who gets paid to smack us around like bitches.

[ponygirl]

I agree, I think it should be put to a vote by the people. I work in a bar in a restaurant, and our bar is a separate area from the restaurant area. No one has to walk through smoking to get to their table or to go to the restroom. I am a smoker, and I do think it sucks to not be able to sit and eat a meal, have drinks, conversation, and a cigarette. I am also concerned that my income is going to go down with the ban, because if people can't sit and have a drink and relax w/o having to go outside every 15 min or so for a smoke, they're not going to stay as long, they're not going to drink as much, and they're not going to tip as much. It has the potential to be a positive thing, because it can increase table turn over and create an opportunity for wait staff to make more money, but I think that if you have a separate area, with separate ventilation, that smoking should be allowed. I also believe it should be the property owner's choice.

[Steeda Snakes]

........... Personally i have severe asthma and i can understand that,i choose to fuck up my lungs by smoking (which is how my asthma went from mild to severe) and i do my best to respect others around me when i know they don't like the smoking.


Most asthmatics with a severe persistent condition, would not have enough breath to smoke, you must be the exception. Severe asthmatics typically experience constant shortness of breath which greatly limits their activity, experience frequent wheezing episodes increasing at night (if a nocturnal component is present) and flow-rates of less than 60% of predicted (i.e., means you will have some difficulty walking up a couple of flights of stairs).

What do you do? Hit your rescue inhaler, smoke a cigarette, hit you rescue inhaler, smoke a cigarette.........damn I bet your heart rate is through the roof. Rescue inhalers, long-acting beta2, steroids, cortico-steroids, leukotrine inhibitors, etc.; that is an expensive pharmacy bill. You still have enough money for cigarettes?

C'mon Shadow, where is the logic? I am not your father, hell I don't even know you, so don't get all worked up with the AUTHORITY issue. You need to quit. This is coming from someone who knows what he is talking about, and has seen first hand what your future health condition will look like if you continue down this path.

Please quit. Just think how much money you will save on drugs and cigarettes! More mods for your car?

[Steeda Snakes]

I agree, I think it should be put to a vote by the people.

Not being anti-democratic here but.................

While we are voting on a public healthcare issue, lets vote on some other things as well;

- vote on the food quality standards that eating establishments must adhere to.
- vote on water quality standards.
- vote for the legal drinking age.
- vote for the legalization of controled substances.
- vote on the price of a postage stamp.
- vote for every posted speed limit.
- vote for no front license plate (now that one has some merit. HAHA)
- etc.

Do you see my point, this is why we have elected officials! Otherwise, we would be voting all day, everyday.

Smoking is still legal. Individuals cannot smoke where there is a chance that the smoke from their cigarette is endangering the health of others. It is a matter of public health, it is a matter of air quality.

As far as seperate smoking areas, they must be completely closed off from other areas and have an independant ventilation system. Numerous indoor air quality studies have been done to prove this.

[leedog]

I vote no posted speed limits anywhere! :D ...Was this supposed to be an anonymous vote? :shock: