new clutch discussion

who knows what about XTD clutches? are they good, do they hold up for a while. are they complete crap? i see a number of people on the net that say they have them, so i'm led to believe they're pretty good....of course that could also mean that they're just cheap. what do yall think? i can get a stage 3 w/lightweight flywheel pretty cheap.

[thatboyvic]

hey a piece of advice. find an act pressure plate and run it with a new stock disc. it will perform good enough for your power and still have a slightly stock feel but with a pop. i ran it on my crx and so did a friend of mine. then i went with a 6 puck unsprung unit, extreme pressure plate and pro lite flywheel and i did not like it at all. rob the low inertia and was very difficult to drive. that was on a crx with a d16y7 head and d16y8 block. opposite of mini me. but it did run very strong on full throttle. but crusing speeds were a fucking bitch.

well, i kinda wanna get something good that'll hold up for a LONG time, considering how expensive everything is. i'll look into that though, but i was looking at this, cause it was all stage 3, and the 8lb flywheel. i'm only interested in the flywheel, cause people tell me that'll help me w/low end power. and i need all of that i can get. cause...well, you drove a crx...we don't have any.

[thatboyvic]

if you have a 1.5 then no. swap a d16y8 or z6 in. and new stock clutch and you should be fine for a goos while. on my eg hatch i had a 1.5 and went with the d16z6 swap. i found the longblock and si tranny for 200 bux. i then used a 1.5 flywheel, 1.5 act pressure plate and stock disk and it never had a problem cuttin them loose while switching gears. i mean it only ran a 16 in stock form but it was decently quick on the street. better that the 1.5. way better plus you get a little taste of some vtec. or you can swap to the dohc zc motor. its around the same as a d16z6. unless you are going to be boosting or spraying the act pressure plate and stock disk will last a long time. the flywheel gives you an idea of more horspower and tourque. in reality it helps the engine to wrap out faster. you got some lighter rims now and that made a bigger difference. i heard every 1 lbs off the rotating mass equals 100 lbs of weight in the car. i dunno how true it is but thats what a shop told me.

well, i have a d16a6 in it now. and i really don't wanna swap motors (just cause everyone does). you know....i don't really care whether i win or lose a race, just that i'm runnin. granted, it's always more gratifying when i win. i just wanna upgrade the hell out of the d16a6. but i'm thinking come january i may sell this rex and get me another si with less miles on it. maybe just get another d16a6 with less miles and swap it in. i dunno yet. either way. i don't know where i was going with this...lol...i forgot. oh well.

[95civicgsr]

there is nothing wrong with swaps. and not everyone is doing them, there are alot more stock engined hondas running aroundd than swapped ones. dont spread false info

[thatboyvic]

its not the fact of being like everyone else. its the fact that a swap could come out costing less to be faster than upgrading a slow motor. its more expensive if you keep modding a lesser platform. say a gsr swapped crx with a 50 shot could be around 1500 if done right, if you put 1500 in a d16a6 you probably couldnt beat it. just a suggestion. i was very happy getting a newer platform. its the biggest fastest cheapest improvment you can do. and by the time you finish upgrading the d16a6 to hang with everyone else it will be time to rebuild or expect the bearings to shit on you. so be smart with your money and take the time to research your moves beforee you just do them. good luck

[95civicgsr]

and there is alot of fast sohc it just take alot of money to do it right so it will last. youo can get an ls swao intoo your car for around 1000 roughly excluding labor of course and spend 200-400 on a nitrous kit and have a quick car. or you can spend a little more and boost it. either way it will be easier to make power with te dual.

i'm sorry if it seems like i'm spreading false info, it just seems like everyone want's to swap to a b series. i figure i can stick with a d series motor and just upgrade the hell out of it. then again, from recent magazines....people are beginning to find that a popular idea also. so....i don't know what the hell i'm gonna do.

[95civicgsr]

yea but you need to seriously mod a d series or spray the shit out of it and it wont last long. or as i said before you can get a hmt and boost it. there are some boosted ds deep in the 11s there was even a 10 sec allmotor d series for a while. but can you imagine how much cash they spent?and most of those guys were sponsored or did alot of their own work

yeah, i really don't plan on going that fast. i'd be happy runnin like 13s or 14s. 12s would be nice, but that's gonna b a LONG time. i don't know. i may swap up to a zc but i've kinda been debating it. i was really thinking about going all the way with my d16a6. but either way, i have way to many miles on my current motor. it's at just over 212,000 now!

[95civicgsr]

for a few hundred dollars you can get an ls. there is alot more parts avaialable for the ls than the zc

yeah, but the ls isn't sohc anymore, and it's not dseries...is it?

[thatboyvic]

depends which zc you get, some are dohc some are single cam. a d16y8 woul dbe your best bet

wait...there's a difference between single overhead cam and single cam? ok, i know i don't know a lot, but now i just am doubting what i thought i DID know. anyway, what's the specs on a y8?

[thatboyvic]

1.6 sohc vtec engine

[thatboyvic]

your current motor d16a6 is 108 hp and the y8 will bump you to 128-30 range. thats 20 ponies right off the bat. 20 hp is hard to get with bolt ons. unless you buy bolt ons that cost more than your motor

[thatboyvic]

d16a1 or dohc zc is rated at 129 hp

b18a1 non obd ls motor rated at 130 hp

b18b1 is rated at 140 hp

b16a1 is rated at 160 hp

b17a1 is rated at 170 np

b18c1 rated at 180 hp


the first 2 can be purchased fairly easy off houston imports. a zc motor with papers and warranty can be had for 500-600 bux. but thats not cheap for it. you can find ls swaps for your crx but you have to keep an eye out everyday and make sure you have the money in hand cause these deals go quick.

i sold a b18a1, ls tranny, mounts, linkages, ecu, dc header, je cam gears, lightened flywheel, act clutch, and harness, for 700 bux. but i dont care really. i sell shit cheap as do other people. learn how to work deals wait for the perfect moment to hit them with a lowball offer and you can get stuff real cheap. wait till they need the money and get em. if you need help finding one come by the house and i can show you where to look

well, i'll be by there tomorrow, so we can talk about it then. i wanna stick with a d series, but if i'm swapping i may as well do it full out right? what all do i have to have for a ls swap? or the dohc zc motor?

[95civicgsr]

you can get zc but the after market doesnt support it like the ls. s aftermarket parts would be easier and cheaper for the ls.

ok...decision made. i can stay with a stock crx motor and go with the B16A1 VTEC. the 1990 crx si-r came with it. it's rated at 160bhp i believe. there's one on ebay in canada for $3500 right now, reserve not met. so to you two that know prices on engines (J you especially, garage man that you are) how much will the whole swap cost me?

[95civicgsr]

that iss way to much,a stock ls vs stock b16 i would take the ls anyday. esp for crx,ls puts out a good amount more tq than the b16. my .02

[slow-Mo]

If you do stay with the all mighty D get an ACT extreme pressure plate with their street disc, thats what I got and its out lasted two motors!!! I've launched that bitch at 3000, 3500, 4000, 4500rpm's plenty of times and that bitch bites hard :thumbs: :thumbs: . If you want the good shit you gotta pay!!! I not sayin that ACT is the best of the best or the most expensive out there, but to me it is one of the best invesments I made :thumbs: . You might not need that much clutch now, but if you get now you wont have to upgrade it down the road.

well, here's the deal. i'm wanting the b16a1, cause it's the stock (key word stock) engine in the CRX Si-R. and i'm prolly gonna go a head and get the WTD clutch and flywheel combo that i found. trust me J, i'll take your word for just about anything Honda based. but i really wanna stick with stock engines that CRXs came with. that i could find no CRXs came with an ls motor. that's the ONLY reason i don't want the ls.

[thatboyvic]

AWWWWWW. TRUST ME JAY AND NO VICTOR????? THATS MESSED UP. J/K I HAVENT MESSED UP ANYTHING YET... HAHA NAH COME TOMORROW WE ARE GONNA START AROUND 4:00 FREE BEER, LIQUER, WE GOT IT. HOLLA

[95civicgsr]

awww shhucks well gall lee nah there are several people in this town who know hondas. vic,mo and myself are just three that happen to post on this board. g/l withth the setup

yes, yes, i trust you on honda info to Vic. i'm already awake (obviously) and i'll be there prolly a little early. i don't have shit to do today. hey, i'm gonna bring that intake mani back to you for the porting. and i don't know, i'll either have to commision one of yall to do my swap for me, or i'll take it somewhere, i don't wanna screw it up. i know i should do all of the work myself, but all of the rewireing and everything is out of my league.

[thatboyvic]

http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/s ... p?t=222133 (http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222133)

[thatboyvic]

i told you you paid to much for your car:


http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/s ... p?t=222081 (http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222081)

i figured that i did, but it didn't matter to me at the time, i just really wanted a crx for a long time and i finally found one that was in decent shape and that i could afford, so i jumped on it.

[I_need_money]

digging up an old post but you want a unusual sohc motor look into the old Vtec D15b 130ps (135hp?) w/ a 7200 rpm redline good for a D. it uses 3 stage vtec all kind of crap going on there that I dont want to type
but here is a link.
http://asia.vtec.net/article/d15b/